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Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:28 pm
by Cam Beckett
Cam took notes.

"Got it. But what if -- same scenario -- a different person is standing on the tracks you'd divert the trolly on to? So, if you don't pull the switch, five tourists will die, but if you do flip the switch, you're sending the trolly to kill this other person?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:49 am
by Nailah Weaver
"Hmm... can I pull the lever, outrace the trolly and push the person off the track?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:04 am
by Cam Beckett
"No. The trolley moves arbitrarily fast," Cam shook his head. "Such is the power of thought-problem trolleys."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:35 pm
by Nailah Weaver
"Well... I mean I guess I pull the lever then." she says, though she doesn't exactly seem happy with that conclusion.

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:48 pm
by Cam Beckett
"What if it's two people? Or three? Or four?

Or, for that matter, five? Is there a line where actively deciding who lives and dies is different than passively deciding it?" he said, tapping his chin with his pen.

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:46 pm
by Nailah Weaver
"I dunno... Feels like I'm making a choice either way. If I don't pull the lever I still could have, I just chose not to. I'm still responsible."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:20 pm
by Cam Beckett
"See, that's the kind of data we need here, because it's not a simple question -- some people would argue that by pulling the lever, they're inserting themselves into the situation -- and that that sort of 'playing god' is an immoral act.

What if it was five strangers on the initial track, and Haley on the other line?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:30 pm
by Nailah Weaver
"Well, she can probably crush the trolley with her brain, but I guess that's not what you're getting at, huh. I... don't know. She could probably save more than five people, but that's just an excuse for pulling the lever..." she says, sounding a little uncomfortable.

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:40 pm
by Cam Beckett
Cam, either missing the uncomfortableness or opting to ignore it, pressed on.

"But maybe those other five people were going to write a symphony. Or cure world hunger. Or bring back Nowhere Man."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:11 am
by Nailah Weaver
"Well okay, then I need my power to pick up on that. That's the whole reason we're doing this, right?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:13 am
by Cam Beckett
"Your power can figure that out?" Cam asked, intrigued. "I thought it only told you what actions to take?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:58 pm
by Nailah Weaver
"Well yeah, but I want it to tell me to do the best possible thing, right? And if one of the people on the track are gonna, like, cure world hunger..."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:33 am
by Cam Beckett
"Well, that opens up a whole new BOAT of complications. Which is more important -- curing world hunger, or stopping AIDS? Writing a symphony, or making a video game? Now there's all sorts of difficult new variables."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:09 pm
by Nailah Weaver
"Hmm... Okay, so less complicated for now. I... guess I'd let the trolley hit Haley cause I dunno, this question sucks. But living cause your friend killed a bunch of people would be rough."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:18 pm
by Cam Beckett
Cam took notes.

"Final trolley problem. Five people on the tracks, and you're at the lever. But what the lever will do is move the trolley onto tracks that YOU are standing on."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:26 pm
by Nailah Weaver
She doesn't answer immediately, but she doesn't take particularly long to think about it either. "I pull it."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:31 pm
by Cam Beckett
"You're sure? Remember, this is a hypothetical situation -- there's not a chance, like, you get maimed but not killed or someone else comes in to save the day..."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:58 pm
by Nailah Weaver
"Well yeah, but that's what heroes do, right?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:15 pm
by Cam Beckett
"I don't think death wishes necessarily coincide with heroism."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:19 pm
by Nailah Weaver
"But heroic self-sacrifice does."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:11 am
by Cam Beckett
"That's fair enough. It's your morality, after all," Cam said, taking some more notes. "Personally, I do more good alive than dead, but then, that's why I'm not on the teams.

Last question, then I've got to crunch data. Well, second-to-last question, bur last moral question. Trolley. Out of control. Heading towards five people. No switch this time, but you know if you can throw a heavy object in the way, you can stop it. Next to you is a morbidly obese man with enough mass to stop the trolley. Do you throw him in the way of the trolley, killing him but stopping it?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:36 pm
by Nailah Weaver
Nailah frowns. "Is that the only way to stop it?" she asks, although she obviously knows the answer and doesn't really seem to expect an answer. "I... suppose not. I can't make that decision for him."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:53 pm
by Cam Beckett
"So, you're OK with putting people in harms way if they were already doing something slightly dangerous, but not getting them in harm's way to begin with?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:53 pm
by Nailah Weaver
"I suppose... It's like, when me and Haley go fight badguys we both kinda already accept we might get hurt, right?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:07 pm
by Cam Beckett
"So, you're sort of volunteering yourself for potential consequences. Alright, fair enough, there's a logic there I can work with.

Final question: Do you have any piercings or internal devices? Pacemaker or anything like that?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:16 pm
by Nailah Weaver
Nailah looks at him weirdly when he says pacemaker. "I got my ears pierced but I don't wear anything in them when I go out punching bad guys."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:17 pm
by Cam Beckett
"Any particular reason? Clashes with your outfit?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:02 am
by Nailah Weaver
"Just don't wanna have them ripped out in a scrap, I guess." she shrugs. "Just seems risky."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:11 am
by Cam Beckett
"Hrm, yes," Cam said, tapping his pen against his teeth. "Have you ever considered a tongue piercing?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:56 pm
by Nailah Weaver
"Not really. no. Why's that matter?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:33 pm
by Cam Beckett
"The more centrally located the sensor is, the more accurate readings it can provide. Ideally, I'd implant it directly in your neocortex, but I'm not sure they'd give me access to the proper equipment."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:04 pm
by Nailah Weaver
"How bout a tiara instead of cracking open my skull?"

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:01 am
by Cam Beckett
Cam made a face. "No aesthetic taste, then? Well, I suppose we can work SOMETHING out there, though it may be uncomfortable on your temple."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:51 pm
by Nailah Weaver
"Hey, what do you mean no aesthetic taste? That's a perfectly cromulent costume accessory."

Re: More than One Way to Skin a Cat

PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:49 am
by Cam Beckett
"When someone is flying around and doing flips? Maybe not so much!"